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Michelle Styles's avatar

It wouldn't surprise. Lots of things have been done to promote 'revolution' -- look at the Wilhelm Reich sex-pol movement where he promoted a breaking of sexual taboos combined with Marxism to bring about the revolution.

The main end point seems to be revolution by any means necessary.

Here -- The police have finally released the Nowak footage and it is shocking. The police telling Nowak that he wasn't stabbed etc. People are rightly angry. It is clear that anti-racism has been weaponised. https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2061551586036400567

It is worth reading the judge's sentencing remarks to get a better understanding of the case, including why the brother might not have been charged (he may have decided to cooperate) : https://crimeline.co.uk/sentencing-remarks-r-v-vickrum-digwa-1-june-2026/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/01/sikh-man-who-fatally-stabbed-student-jailed-for-life/

Kemi Badenoch speaks for many on this subject -- she is very measured. https://x.com/Conservatives/status/2061726213098348799

Bruce Miller's avatar

Kemi is a voice of sanity in a land gone mad.

Michelle Styles's avatar

Totally. You can see she is really upset by the video and rightly so. It is gong to take a lot of hard work to get this rooted out.

Bruce Miller's avatar

When Queer Keir took the knee, he should have been kicked in the face. He is a filthy poltroon and a disgrace to the English nation.

Michelle Styles's avatar

Many people in Britain would find that statement hard to disagree with.

Sir Lindsay Hoyle had to force Starmer into commenting on the case.

I personally think much of the 2020 CRT madness was a reaction to the pandemic. Yes I know it had been building in the years before, but pandemics often bring uncomfortable iconoclasm which people later regret.

PoetKen Jones's avatar

You are a poet with Pope and Swift buried somewhere in there…😂

Louisa Enright's avatar

Jupplandia writes today about the UK banning Piker and Cent from entering the country for a recent event. Jupp is scathing about the hypocrisy involved. As I commented there a bit ago, "dying countries are...messy."

Bruce Miller's avatar

Let us hope that our British brothers and sisters are made of stouter stuff and that the Sceptered Isle will not die but will regain all that makes it England......

Louisa Enright's avatar

France, too. They are...overrun with violent immigrants.

JBell's avatar

She (Badenoch) is very good. I like how she is pushing for common sense.

Michelle Styles's avatar

She is. I have always liked that about her.

JBell's avatar

I have not studied or read much of the Cloward Piven Strategy/Method, to be able to criticize it specifically.

I do believe that it is diametrically opposed to our American idea of Individual Liberty and the "American Dream". We just do not believe in handouts ..... we believe hard work will be rewarded.

The influx recently of the illegals has certainly pushed this theory into prominence..... but as soon as we get the majority of them out, we can return to normalcy.

Brian Katz's avatar

I love your optimism about removing them.

Louisa Enright's avatar

Really good essay JBell. The tyranny of the majority who vote for getting things for free. Witness NYCity today. While reading I kept wondering about the loss of morality in this mess. But he ends with that idea.

"but moral people do not go away and high function, high trust objective moralists who internally instantiate ideas like golden rules begetting golden ages will only stand for so much of the plunder, decline, and vilification before they remember ideas like “rights standing paramount to the state and the whims of the demos and the facile story spinning it uses to justify running roughshod upon you” used to work pretty damn well and would again if returned to primacy."

I also think it is fairly easy to turn people into a mob demanding free things via massive amounts of propaganda--which we have now.

James Nick's avatar

It’s a great way to win elections. It works in Mexico and California and apparently New York City. The incessant propaganda that “this generation will never prosper like their parents” will ensure the grievance vote continues.

Orwell’s Rabbit's avatar

I think the kitty gets overly optimistic at times (as a dyed in the wool pessimist, I usually cynically mumble “I hope you’re right”). He also predicted the end of Woke a while ago, and while there have been tiny, incremental improvements, I don’t think we have moved the needle - in real terms - more than a degree away from peak Woke. Universities and employers are still using DEI; they’re just hiding it and calling it by a different name. Asians are still being discriminated against in university admissions. Black doctors are being minted by the hundreds, despite not being competent in medical school exams and clinical work. (This last sentence edited to correct my prior poor phrasing of what I was trying to say.)

Without control of the propaganda mechanism, high trust cannot be regained. The mob follows what they’re told, and the people who are informing them are the proponents of low trust society.

LFPeg's avatar

What evidence is there that black doctors are graduating from med school without passing grades? I am not sure how an institution can give a degree to a person without passing grades. Many med schools are now grading on a pass/fail basis. If an institution wants to mint black graduates, they would be better off giving them passing grades than giving failing grades and awarding their degrees. The licensing board exams are very tough and I would think a graduate with failing grades would be hard pressed to pass the license testing. I agree that institutions are still practicing DEI but that's not to say that they are awarded degrees to failing students.

Orwell’s Rabbit's avatar

Thanks for catching my erroneous phrasing. I’ll edit my comment to reflect that they are being given passing grades despite showing complete lack of competence in the classroom and clinical experience. So, to be clear, they are “being given a pass” when they should be given a failing grade.

LFPeg's avatar

There is such pressure to have more blacks and woman participate in STEM fields that they extent to which they stretch the tests and grades on their behalf is staggering. And what is sad is that once they are out in the real world, they do not succeed.

Sea Sentry's avatar

I’m afraid Brian is right. In the first 1 1/2 years of the Trump admin, removals have only scratched the surface. I’m in favor of increasing the repatriation fee (current $2,200 and a flight home) as Denmark and Sweden have done, but also making it easier for farmers to get seasonal work permits for harvesters.

Orwell’s Rabbit's avatar

We will get nowhere with self deportation until we tax remittances at 50% or more. When they can’t afford to live here AND send money home, many will decide to leave.

Louisa Enright's avatar

There will be no "normal" until the political arena is restaffed, the mainstream media reoriented to something at least more objective, the voting problems fixed, and so on. It's a huge job not easily done in this climate.

Jen Todd's avatar

Jupplandia had a great post yesterday about Japan and the finality of dropping nukes to end the war and how it changed the Japanese. The Democrat party needs its own "Hiroshima" because, at this point, they are completely incapable of turning away from their commitment to evil and ruination.

Roberta L's avatar

Sherman laid waste to the Confederacy (i.e. Democrats), but Americans are too quick to reconcile and forgive. The enemy’s wounds were allowed to fester and scab over, while they seethed and plotted revenge.

Don’t kid yourself that the Democrat elite of today are not the direct descendants of the slave owners of yore. They yearn for the return of their plantation and have learned from our weaknesses and their mistakes.

Jen Todd's avatar

There is nothing about the Democrat party that is worth saving.

Ernie Boxall's avatar

CIVIL WAR... Now...while PRESIDENT TRUMP has the army, navy and airforce...or later when democrats have the weapons...you choose

Celia M Paddock's avatar

Unfortunately, younger generations have been taught that hard work is beneath them, and that it won't be rewarded because times are tough, so they shouldn't bother trying.

John Plodinec's avatar

I don’t think it’s intentional. Why reach for Evil when Stupid is right in front of us?

Jen Todd's avatar

Because Stupid doesn't know any better.

Roberta L's avatar

And is easy to manipulate.

Louisa Enright's avatar

It may not be intentional, but...I wonder, which is why I wanted to see what JIPers thought. Intentional or not, what happened with all the fraud and the influx of immigrants from cultures that are not going to assimilate here was intentional. Agree it is still stupid because they can't control the Pandora's Box they have opened. I do believe it was a power move to stay in power and to continue all the fraud.

JBell's avatar

Right.... and to keep harping on getting "comprehensive immigration reform" legislation. When all we needed to do is enforce the laws already in place!

Jen Todd's avatar

The Biden/Harris Fiasco intentionally refused to enforce immigration laws. Period. End of story. Senator Langford's cajoling was/is exactly what's wrong with Republicans and their doormat mentality of "can't we all just get along"? No...no we can't when what's at stake is the heart and soul of American culture and values.

JBell's avatar

Soul?

Jen Todd's avatar

Yes, soul.

Roberta L's avatar

I do believe ALL of the insurrection has been intentional. The only fiasco the Dems faced was their failure to hold on to the office when their chosen puppet lost.

However, you are spot on concerning the Republican response.

Jen Todd's avatar

Yes, all of it was intentional. Suicidal partisanship.

John Plodinec's avatar

I reached for the pithy epithet and should have given a nod to the nuance. I agree the influx was intentional – Dems thinking the illegals would give them an unbeatable electoral base. I don't believe Cloward-Piven had anything to do with it – just another unintended consequence.

Jen Todd's avatar

I think that's the whole point of Cloward Piven. The dems know exactly what they are doing.

Sea Sentry's avatar

We could settle this if the folks in charge of Biden’s immigration policy would come forward (which they won’t) or be interviewed by the MSM (that won’t happen either).

Roberta L's avatar

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Yeah, that’s going to happen.

Roberta L's avatar

If you believe that, you also must believe an old man with dementia was actually in control of this country (and the autopen) for four years.

Bruce Miller's avatar

Hard to tell if the Biden Democrat Administration's patently unlawful opening of the border to admit perhaps 30 million illegal aliens was an effort to implement Cloward-Piven or something even darker. But it was clearly treasonous and deeply disruptive of law and custom. Even without Biden's treason, the social safety nets of social security, Medicare and Medicaid have been increasingly stressed by a lazy and licentious liberal mindset that eschews all hint of personal responsibility and rewards indolence and sloth. (Why, pray tell, must hard working American taxpayers fund SNAP benefits for cake, candy, cookies and cola, that only make the poor, fatter, sicker and more somnolent than they already are?). Then there is the vast network of leftist pols and NGOs that fleece or allow the system to be fleeced with all sort of fraud and abuse, from phony 'learing centers" to hospices for healthy people. Just ending the fraud would probably return these programs to fiscal health, were it not for the tidal wave of new, third world gate crashers. The treachery of the Biden border opening was so vicious, so calculated to harm America and so depraved that I find it jaw dropping that the sleazy old windbag's rotting corpse is not now hanging from a noose as a lesson to traitors. Biden and all of his cronies in crime engaged in a calculated scheme to weaken and destabilize our nation. And if you can't see or understand that - and demand punishment and accountability - your are a big part of the problem.

Brian Katz's avatar

I agree Bruce. It’s obvious if one cares to look at what happened. I’m fairly confident that a large number of democrats have no idea of the damage inflicted on our nation, choosing rather to follow their party that was driven by evil people of the far left. They’ll say it’s fine out of altruistic inclinations, without really thinking about the real world consequences. And they’ll dig their feet in very deep just to support their position.

PoetKen Jones's avatar

The newly ascendant phrase “suicidal empathy” comes to mind, mixed with some asinine altruism.

Brian Katz's avatar

I agree, but here is a different take on the problem that I thought was very well articulated.

https://substack.com/home/post/p-197933979

Louisa Enright's avatar

Nice essay Brian K. Thanks. I don't disagree that fear lies behind the "Suicidal Empathy" behavior. Fear drives a lot of behavior in this country--like following medical practices said to protect. Or using toxic chemicals to kill pests said to be dangerous or about to overrun our lawns, crops, or houses, etc. Or, if we don't stop CO2, the planet will burn up. Fear is a very powerful market tool.

This quote though--"In America’s racial politics, what often triggers the public display of “empathy” is not contact with suffering but the pressure of guilt"--might be a bit too far. I am not sure that the problem is some great notion of white/Asian/etc "guilt," but fear of being ejected from the dominent group which provides jobs, money, social standing, and so on. That fear can and does make "empathy" necessary to fit in.

It's a big, big topic, isn't it? But the development of "systems of cultural power" is a big and complex topic.

Bruce Miller's avatar

Time to stop being so freaking afraid. Fear of being called a racist. Fear of a mostly non-lethal virus. Fear of being canceled. Fear of whatever. What has happened to courage? To truth? To liberty. So many of our countrymen and women are simply cowards. And narcissists. Whining about paying more for gasoline - but not even as much as under that worm, Biden- even as the price is nothing compared to ridding the world of an Islamist terror state. Our fathers and grandfathers who endured the Depression and four years of mortal combat would be disgusted with us. Just stop being so damned afraid. For God's sake, grow a pair.

Louisa Enright's avatar

The progression of hard work to wealthy children who don’t have those drives seems to me to be part of this problem.

Brian Katz's avatar

Yes, a pair of balls or ovaries would help tremendously.

Roberta L's avatar

Since, at least, the late 1970s, we have allowed these ‘revolutionaries’ to educate our children. They fear because they have been taught to fear, but not how to critically think about what they have been told. The fear runs deeper with each successive graduating class.

When an adult mind is changed by propaganda, reason has a chance to change it back. But a child’s mind, filled to capacity by lies, may never be able to make room for reason.

Orwell’s Rabbit's avatar

“Guilt” and “empathy” are misnomers; it’s really about virtue signaling for status and power. Pretending to “support” poor choices is merely a way to differentiate oneself from the “deplorables” who sully themselves with jobs and morality. Rob Henderson (inventor of the term “luxury beliefs”) has pointed out that the limousine liberals who loudly celebrate “alternative lifestyles” do not live like that themselves. In our “culture of narcissism” (Lasch), hypocrisy and empty words are the currency of success/status.

Louisa Enright's avatar

I would argue that guilt and empathy are the mechanisms involved. But agree wealth and isolation from the rest of the population helps allow their ideas.

Brian Katz's avatar

Another good way to approach this problem as well.

I see virtue signaling as a huge problem and step on it when I see it in the real world.

Jen Todd's avatar

All the dems I know talk like a liberal but live like a conservative.

Brian Katz's avatar

Good thoughts Louisa. Thanks for taking the time to read the essay. I was actually more focused on “guilt” but it fits in nicely with the bigger issue of “fear”.

Helena's avatar

Great essay. Just subscribed to Eli Steele's substack. Thanks for the recommendation, Brian.

Brian Katz's avatar

👍👍

Celia M Paddock's avatar

Ah, Eli Steele's counterpoint.

I actually think they are both right. The fear of being seen as racist is, indeed, part of what drives the suicidal empathy. It's a push-pull thing.

Brian Katz's avatar

Agree, it’s really about progression in my view.

Someone either is guilty or fearful and to compensate, they engage in suicide empathy.

They work together.

Louisa Enright's avatar

Some are victims of weaponized empathy, but some and their family and friends have their hands in the till where they sprung leaks to benefit themselves. Many I know, including family, are part of the huge bureaucracy and are afraid for their jobs and no jobs for their children, etc.

Louisa Enright's avatar

Agree. They don't question the lies and propaganda from their "news" sources.

Roberta L's avatar

Or schools.

Roberta L's avatar

The leaders knew - have had it in their heads for a long, long time. Hence the nurturing of American children to follow without question.

Brian Katz's avatar

👍👍

Barry Lederman, “normie”'s avatar

I think it’s much similar. It is always about the money- everything else is just a cover. The more money moves, there is more room to keep some of it for “the big guy”.

PH's avatar

Ah, Bruce. Word of the day: somnolent. Love it!

PoetKen Jones's avatar

Makes me want to have a beer for breakfast and crawl back in bed

Louisa Enright's avatar

Well said Bruce.

Ernie Boxall's avatar

I'm in England, but my support for PRESIDENT TRUMP and my respect for The Republican States of America is unbreakable.

But I believe you have an error here. What happened over the years between 2020-2024 had nothing to do with Oats for Brains biden and everything to do with two men...Ex British prime minister, tony blair and the seditious ex- American president obama.

Bruce Miller's avatar

No doubt true. But, as Biden was putatively "elected" and "governed" he should be the first to swing. Hussein's and Blair's crimes need further digging.

James Roberts's avatar

Blair is one I never followed closely, but always seems genuinely more centrist - is he not?

Ernie Boxall's avatar

No. He was/is one of the main globalist WEF Schwab's favourite students...and he very nearly got his sidekick Mandelson inside the White House.

James Roberts's avatar

Can you be both a globalist and not crazy loon on policy?

Ernie Boxall's avatar

WEF, EU, UN, WHO, WTO, Washington, London, Paris? No.

Ernie Boxall's avatar

WEF, EU, UN, WHO, WTO, Washington, London, Paris? No.

Ernie Boxall's avatar

WEF, EU, UN, WHO, WTO, Washington, London, Paris? No.

Ernie Boxall's avatar

WEF, EU, UN, WHO, WTO, Washington, London, Paris? No.

Celia M Paddock's avatar

I do believe that Obama was calling the shots throughout Biden's presidency. But where does Blair fit in? This is something I have not heard about before.

Ernie Boxall's avatar

When Blair was prime minister he was a traitor who sold us out to the WEF and globalists under Schwab.

He was also tight with the biggest criminals…the City of London...billionaires who are above the 1% and have controlled world and European politics for a couple of centuries or more…

His partner in crime was Peter Mandelson, the man the PRESIDENT has just destroyed through Epstein…but Blair is like obama, he’s still in the shadows controlling the cowards around him…and working inside America to stop PRESIDENT TRUMP

Celia M Paddock's avatar

Wow, I had no idea Blair was manipulating things from the shadows like Obama.

Ernie Boxall's avatar

The Monday Brief - The Billionaire Behind the Senate: How Larry Ellison Funds the War on Trump - June 1, 2026

Promethian Action

Barbara Boyd

https://www.prometheanaction.com/

James Roberts's avatar

Was Biden really conscious during his administration, or if so, was he in any way wielding power and authority? If not, can he be guilty of treason?

Dems willingness to replace him with Kamala suggests they now prefer candidates (presidents) who are completely in debt to the party and their institutional collaborators, and willing to take orders from the puppet masters orchestrating the apparatus and strategy of the partystate.

Taking up the subject in question, I agree, I don't know if *thingamathingy* (the UBI scheme) was the specific objective, or something equally nefarious, or worse, or some combination. I suspect the latter, since recent actions seem to check a lot of boxes.

Bruce Miller's avatar

Perhaps but if Biden was non compos mentis then those who unlawfully exercised power in his stead could be convicted of treason.

James Roberts's avatar

Agreed, and I think this is one of the most significant and troubling, not to mention under investigated, mysteries of our time.

You can add “who helped Matthew Crooks” as well.

Louisa Enright's avatar

I agree. Biden wasn't mentally competent. It was the people around him running the show and the autopen.

Celia M Paddock's avatar

Personally, I think the stated objective (basic income) was never anything more than a cover for the desire for a complete revolution.

Clarity Seeker's avatar

Absolutely. NJ proves that if dems get power back no more deportations and reopening of the border. Trans is still alive and so is DEI. So how many will not vote this Nov or two years later that share our views? How many will dance to Carlsons tune if say Rubio were to be the 28 nominee? All of the above can be blunted only if enough vote for america. The question is will they

Casey Jones's avatar

THIS^1000. If We fail (again) to show up it's o-vah.

Ellen Gemma's avatar

Good morning, Clarity… can you tell me what you mean about Rubio? I think he’s great, but sense that you don’t agree.

Clarity Seeker's avatar

I am a big Rubio fan. My guess is Carlson would oppose Rubio primarily because Marco is a strong israel supporter and has always been. Rubio may be the most pro Israel member of the cabinet. I would be shocked if Carlson would back him especially if he goes up against Vance. I also believe Carlson would back a khanna say if it was between Rubio and Khanna. Just my opinion

Clarity Seeker's avatar

One of the very interesting things I ponder is whether conservatives who want to end support of israel would stay home before voting for Rubio ( if he is the nominee)

PH's avatar

Let’s hope that they are not that stupid.

Sea Sentry's avatar

I’ve long wondered what was behind Biden opening the border. There’s a story there we haven’t heard yet. This clown picker strategy makes as much sense as anything I’ve heard. If so, it tells you how far left the Democratic Party has shifted, as if we didn’t know.

I do take exception with the Social Security comment, though (remember I had a post here on this some months ago). The reasons for its looming insolvency are Congress’ unwillingness to adjust the program for longer life expectancies, falling birth rates and the use of an inflation index that exaggerates inflation. Congress has been aware of the problem since 1994.

Celia M Paddock's avatar

"Clown picker" is a good one!

Congress has been kicking Social Security down the road for as long as I can remember. And Dems have been using fear of it disappearing to manipulate people for almost that long. That was the primary thing that lured my Reagan Democrat dad back into the Dems' fold.

We GenXers have never had any faith that SocSec would be there when we retired.

Roberta L's avatar

The Biden administration started with printing money to keep American workers home as long as possible (even longer) after their initial scare. Then they provided ‘free,’ mandatory vaccines for years. At the same time, the MSM began ignoring to topic of the National Debt, altogether. Of course the overburdening of the welfare system was part of the plan.

Opening the border and offering full benefits to illegals fits right in the timeline toward communism.

NoreenL's avatar

This is another strategy to destroy the US. This policy doesn’t take into consideration what effect it has on society as a whole. The crushing of the economy with the influx of illegal immigrants. It’s another managed decline strategy. But I believe it’s not this strategy in particular that has got us where we are now. It’s the theft and fraud that did it. Thankfully this is being addressed and in my view it will be more massive than we could ever have imagined.

PoetKen Jones's avatar

Hi Noreen I agree and was going to mention the Vance initiative against waste and fraud, which I read yesterday is likely to have longer lasting effects than DOGE because he has Cabinet officers on board.

Art's avatar

It would be helpful to ask for an answer as to why DOGE and the anti fraud mechanisms Elon Musk brought in during the first six months of the administration went away. JD is great but he doesn’t have the business and technology expertise that Musk brought to bear. I’m not sure this administration and most particularly the Republicans in Congress are really on board with serious long term reform.

Jen Todd's avatar

I don't think DOGE went away. Musk smartly moved away from promoting his efforts because of the threat from the usual crazies.

Louisa Enright's avatar

Good point Noreen.

Casey Jones's avatar

An alternative to the proven defective Popular Kids for the 250th:

https://sashastone.substack.com/p/my-pitch-for-americas-250th?r=pes3s&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

(Sorry.)

Danimal28's avatar

I think it is in play right now; we are $40T in debt and 50% of our people do not pay taxes. There is a reason Xiden brought in, what, 20M that immediately went onto financial aid that was meant for our seniors - and we give our seniors nothing?! You think what is happening at the Delaney ICE bldg isn't by design; there aren't enough ICE agents to compete with the upcoming 'summer of love'. Perhaps I am being too negative here, but...

Louisa Enright's avatar

It is pretty clear now that these are paid protestors. And they have been well organized.

Danimal28's avatar

They have military grade protective gear - it is getting creepy how well they are funded with our tax dollars.

PoetKen Jones's avatar

I voted against this topic because 1. Didn’t we enact welfare reform under President Clinton? 2. Illegal immigrants by definition are ineligible for welfare 3. The new push for UBI is much more related to AI replacing gainful employment across all economic strata. I do believe we need some changes, as the system is obviously too easy to game. I’ve mentioned before seeing convenience stores in H-town taking SNAP cards for cocaine purchases. But quibbling over a strategy as old as I am seems semantic and quaint-like arguing if the military is effectively interdicting supplies on the Ho Chi Minh trail-which in 2026 is the name of a challenging bike path along Houston’s bayous.

ManAlone's avatar

My uncle was a drug and alcohol counselor (after recovering from being an addict and convict himself) and told a story I use to illustrate how far people will go to game the system. One of his clients worked in a factory for a while but was broke. One day at work he found a spot out of sight and took a hatchet and cut off his little finger so that he could file a workman's comp claim. In his group therapy session he said he got $2500 per joint and proudly raised the hand to show he also had the finger reattached at no cost to himself. My progressive "friends" simply don't understand how far people will go to get "free" money.

JBell's avatar

Wow!

PoetKen Jones's avatar

That’s just insane.

Celia M Paddock's avatar

One of my co-workers in the First Aid Office told me about a man who intentionally allowed a fork-lift to run over his foot in order to get workman's comp/disability.

Roberta L's avatar

Clyde Barrow cut off the toes of one foot to escape work detail.

Personally, I had a number of ‘Special Ed’ students who scammed the system to avoid work. As time went on, more and more parents backed them up in the ruse. How do I know? I was their Drama teacher. You’d be amazed how much the kids shared in my presence over the years.

Casey Jones's avatar

1. IIRC there was immigration "reform" under Mr Reagan. When you stop laughing:

2. So? You mean they're not really getting all those benefits! News flash, that.

3. UBI (under that name) has been a socialist dream and a nightmare for The Rest of Us for at least 50 years. It doesn't poll well enough to be explicitly named.

Etc.: That which Man institutes will be abused by other men if there's a buck to be made. Justice is supposed to be blind. Unfortunately that criterion has applied to the police.

Louisa Enright's avatar

Agree. And thanks.

PoetKen Jones's avatar

The thrust of my argument is not only that we’ve been down this road (ineffectually) before but also that the 2026 iteration of the problem bears little resemblance to the 1966 plan

Louisa Enright's avatar

True. Thanks

PoetKen Jones's avatar

Excellent counter argument

Louisa Enright's avatar

Yet, PoetK, money is being funneled to illegal immigrants via the Sanctuary places. The voting system is corrupt, so it keeps the powerful in power. The judicial system is broken to a large degree. The powerful can and do control local police from...policing...especially for the protests. The national debit is indicative of the ongoing corruption in so many areas. So I guess I disagree that we just "need some changes." I do agree that this topic is a grim topic, but I'm betting that you will agree with me that we cannot fix problems until we recognize the scope of what they are. I hope the problem isn't totally that this nation is failing.

PoetKen Jones's avatar

I fear your last sentence is the most accurate

Sea Sentry's avatar

Obama undid Clinton’s (and Newt Gingrich’) welfare reform.

Celia M Paddock's avatar

"By definition" is the nub of the problem. The Dems keep repeating that, while simultaneously complaining about all efforts to prevent illegals from getting welfare (which they clearly are).

AI replacing people is another topic altogether.

PoetKen Jones's avatar

I can’t pretend any special knowledge other than the flood of entitled illegals was so obvious in the middle Biden years, I once stopped in HEB and as I waited in the 10 items or less check out I realized I was the only Anglo in the place. AI IS a separate but related topic as once those jobs go, the unemployed will likely not return to the workforce. What then?

Orwell’s Rabbit's avatar

I think you would be shocked at how many social welfare benefits illegals get nowadays. Obiden really rolled out the red carpet!

Depending on what state they live in, they can get housing assistance, SNAP, Medicaid, free cell phone service, help with utilities payments, and even welfare payments. When I came to the US legally 20+ years ago, even Green Card holders were ineligible for these things, and our sponsor was told that they would have to repay any benefits we happened to get.

ManAlone's avatar

I saw a quote yesterday that I thought was satire but apparently not. Al Sharpton complaining about Elon Musk, et al., not paying their fair share of taxes. A renowned tax cheat and avoider complaining about people who pay billions in taxes not paying enough. But people treat him like a serious voice.

Clarity Seeker's avatar

Susie Rice was close by and mo doubt getting orders from...

Margaret G's avatar

One thing to be thankful for is at least we can talk about these things openly. I just returned from a 2-week trip to Europe, specifically Germany and Croatia, where I spent time with old friends and former neighbors in Munich (I lived there from 1992-2000 before immigrating to the US). Everyone I talked to is very troubled about the immigrant influx into Europe, and angry that the hard working Germans are now having to delay retirement while the immigrants, primarily from third world countries, flood in and get free housing, health care, benefit checks, etc. It irks them, but they are deathly afraid of saying anything about it because they could be arrested. My former neighbor warned me to be careful what I say too, as I could also be arrested. There is a real fear of speaking up so they all suffer in silence. They think Merz and the other European leaders are ineffective and that the problem will only get worse. Yet the populist, anti-immigration alternatives are widely panned as "racist". It is horrific.

Casey Jones's avatar

Oh, Merz &c are clearly VERY effective, the problem being for who and what they are effective!

Margaret G's avatar

Good point!

Notes from the Under Dog L.'s avatar

Why is it so important to the powers that be to give away all that the indigenous built to freeloading outsiders? To the point where one risks arrest for complaining about it? What IS the end goal?

Margaret G's avatar

It's insane. Something to do with instigating a world without borders, I presume, but it ignores the fact that all cultures are not compatible.

Sea Sentry's avatar

This is an underreported story across Europe. I heard the same from friends in Italy, and even my liberal relative in Sweden now admits the immigration influx is a mistake. Still, don’t expect it to appear on the BBC, Reuters or the NY Times.

B.'s avatar
Jun 2Edited

There are a great many comments I'd like to like, but the little buttons are failing me at this point in the threads. I wish they would work.

Driving to Cape Cod much of the day, stopping to see rhododendrons and lupines, I've missed the discussion. That's okay.

[Later] The buttons are working again.

Sea Sentry's avatar

I’m having the same problem for the last few days. Sometimes the “like” button won’t activate. I have to exit and re-enter to get it to work.

Orwell’s Rabbit's avatar

Hmmmm, Germany arresting people for their “wrong” political views…I’m trying to think…where have we seen this before?

Unwoke in Idaho's avatar

Turn this loose on every regressive leftist democrat islamocommie.

https://youtube.com/shorts/Zzr9OG12rBM?si=ZAIIFyTuu7rRX9W1

JBell's avatar

Wow! If I were 30 years younger, I'd get one!

Victoria's avatar

There's a lot of Belgian malinois in shelters, because people don't understand that they have no "off button." You have to be totally committed to constant training and military grade discipline with these critters. They don't do well as household pets. The German shepherd is a better choice, IMHO.

Celia M Paddock's avatar

Huskies have a similar problem. They were bred to run all day in cold temperatures. Keeping them in warm climates without adequate exercise is inevitably a nightmare. They will take out their energy in whatever way they can find if it is not properly directed.

Bill Cribben's avatar

Cloward-Piven are bogeymen for some on the right as is Saul Alinsky. Fifty years ago they were vogue with an element of the political left. Today they are irrelevant. The ghouls of Seattle, Portland, Minneapolis and Newark are descendants of European anarchism not welfare protesters of the sixties and seventies and much more dangerous. I doubt many of the rent a goons and their managers from last weekend in Newark are carrying copies of Frantz Fanon or other once hip left wing ideologues in their REI backpacks. Few read them today. When did you last open your copy of Charles Reich’s the Greening of America a salute to the counterculture. I’m sure they never attended a weekend workshop run by an acolyte of Paolo Freire as I did almost fifty years ago in Lubbock, Texas of all places. I only remember a cold windy weekend and box lunches organizers wouldn’t feed to the poor they romanticized. They wanted to change a welfare system that didn’t work. Their game plan was foolhardy, but many of the people I met sincerely cared. The Antifa anarchist and their disposable stipend collectors don’t. They wish to destroy everything and replace it with who knows what. As warm weather arrives these mini insurrections will pick up. Thus far they’ve cherry picked ultra blue cities with groveling politicians who think anything anti Trump is good. Antifa does not negotiate. Maybe Mikki Sherrill finally understands.

Celia M Paddock's avatar

I appreciate that you are able to speak from experience. But I see a contradiction. You describe "box lunches organizers wouldn’t feed to the poor they romanticized" but go on to say that "many of the people I met sincerely cared." I question whether most of those people really did care if they were unwilling to actually do anything that would impact their own lifestyle. Too many people on the Left are addicted to virtue signaling and embrace 'luxury beliefs' that harm others but never themselves.

Perhaps some of those people back then didn't actually want the revolution that the current crop of Leftists are now seeking more and more openly. But the people leading them almost certainly did.

Billiamo's avatar

I remember watching this when it first aired. My apologies if someone already posted it:

https://youtu.be/JQkdSj6arn0?si=wNVJiv9tjFal--9A

Victoria's avatar

I used to think that leftists were just idealistic and misinformed, but I am pretty much convinced that their leadership is making everything worse in a deliberate effort to destroy this country. How could any sane person vote for this?

J Slayer's avatar

Combine the suicidal empathy with TDS and you're locked into voting blue no matter who. I have a friend who hates Trump so much, she sends me posts almost nightly about the latest dumb outrage. If there's no current outrage, she reaches for behavior in the past to slander Trump and his admin. The other day, she was ranting against RFKJ, saying he snorted coke off a toilet seat and whatever else. In response, I send photos and evidence of the Democrat-run crime-ridden shit holes and ask her why she's voting for more of that? She never responds to those questions... it's like her brain has been hollowed out and replaced with TDS. When she mentioned Kennedy's brain worm at the end of that rant, I said, "I think you might have a brain worm 🪱🐛🪱".

Victoria's avatar

It's increasingly unusual for such a person to remain a friend, especially if he or she knows that you are not Woke. Of all the Democrats I know personally, only one knows that I am not one of them. To his credit, he is willing and able to have an actual conversation with me about politics. He gets most of his news from the New York Times, which of course means he's grossly misinformed, but at least he is willing to engage. All of the other Democrats I know would "unfriend" me if they knew that I'm a closet Republican. The "rant" is pretty much the only method that they use to express their opinions, and rants are not designed to persuade you of anything.

J Slayer's avatar

So true, about the rants. You're fortunate to have a Democrat friend who can actually engage in conversations about politics. Isn't it bizarre that we've come to this place where people are not even willing to associate with others who vote differently anymore? They can't be challenged on their views, like cult members. And if they find out you're not a member of the cult, they cut you off.

Victoria's avatar

I can only chalk it up to the takeover of our education system in the last 20 years or so. Instead of teaching the kids how to think, they teach them what to think, and the propaganda is very effective among those who don't know anything about logic, or history, or anything else except for their grievances. I have trouble associating the word empathy (suicidal or not) with people who cheer for political violence. I am becoming more pessimistic every day, but then, I live in California!

J Slayer's avatar

Ah! I lived in the Bay Area for 20yrs so I completely understand. I moved out in 2020 to Pittsburgh PA and while it's still blue here, it's at least not as bad as CA, and it's affordable. I had a lot of stress from the last few years I lived in CA, having owned a business and just struggling for so many years. Nevermind how you couldn't talk about real issues like THE CRIME and trans and druggie bums in tents on your street. Needles and trash & bums in the park, not being able to get packages delivered to my doorstep without worrying about them get stolen, having my car broken into at least once a year, fires under the freeway in the homeless camps, getting mugged at gunpoint, getting assaulted by black teens downtown, harassed by black men on the corner of every street in West Oakland, not being able to tell the difference between gunshots and M80s going off...the list goes on. It's sad that this has become "normal" for so many of our once beautiful cities. So glad I moved. I hope you're in a safe area!

Victoria's avatar

My husband and I escaped from LA five years ago, and boy am I glad we did. It has gotten so much worse there, and it used to be a fun place to live. I grew up in San Francisco, and it too was a wonderful place back in the olden days. I remember that Oakland was pretty dangerous even back in the 1960s. I am lucky to be living in rural San Diego County now, even though everything is massively expensive. We are pretty far away from the worst of the madness, but there are signs, every day, that the deterioration is spreading even here, in the middle of nowhere. The dairies and the avocado groves and the open fields are disappearing, and being replaced by tacky crowded "low income" housing developments. We are seeing a few homeless here and there, and the illegals are everywhere. We have a joke around the house that, with the Mexican illegals, at least most of them are not trying to kill us. We are talking about moving to a red state, but so far it's just talk. Considering what is happening with the election we might end up having to flee!

Ellen Gemma's avatar

Ah… there you go! I had assumed you would be a Rubio fan, so misunderstood your comment! He is great! And Carlson, Owens and Kelly are becoming unhinged. Let’s hope their influence wanes soon.🤞. And let’s hope my crazy CA state regains its senses soon, but the emotion-based voters rule this state, sadly.